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Thursday, December 08, 2005

Liberal-left big brother gov’t to take all your guns away from you

Written by Joel Johannesen on Thursday December 08 2005 at 07:21 AM

UPDATED WITH VIDEO 8:15 AM PST

Oppressive liberals and their big government have now jumped the shark.  They’ve run amok.  They now intend to take away citizens’ right and freedom to protect themselves away from them.  “Liberal-left government will protect you—you needn’t protect yourselves.  Not even from us,” they claim. 

In other news, citizens appear willing to bend over and let them.  According to polls conducted by liberal-left polling firms and the liberal newspapers which commission them, and as reported on state-run media, most Canadians favor this submissive crap and will vote Liberal. Despite everything.

Liberals to ban handguns

Paul Martin will today propose a ban on most handguns in Canada, CanWest News Service has learned.

Sources say the Prime Minister will make the election campaign announcement this morning in Toronto, where deaths due to gun violence have jumped significantly this year.

There will be some exemptions, including maintaining the right for police to carry handguns. The Prime Minister is also expected to announce a significant increase in resources for police to deal with the ban.

The Liberals say the thinking behind this crime strategy is that if no one is allowed to have a handgun in Canada, policing authorities will be in a better position to act on anyone who has a handgun or attempts to transport or sell a handgun.

The announcement will include the banning of all registered handguns in Canada. However, sources say special arrangements will be made for gun collectors.

This crime prevention strategy will be announced as a key plank in the Liberal election campaign today.

Click here to watch Click here to watch liberal media’s
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Also see a previous blog entry Liberal MP advocates police seizure of ALL guns from ALL citizens for no cause—with audio of Liberal John McKay caught on tape.

UPDATE UPDATE - 11:18 AM PST:  Also see the state-run CBC.CA People’s Web Site division of the Liberal Party’s letters from faithful viewers.  Too funny.  I think they might ban the state-run CBC division of The Party, next!  Seveteen letters against Team Paul (Big Brother) Martin, one for.

Posted by Joel Johannesen on   Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:21:58 AM
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  1. hedplug's avatar hedplug says:

    The Liberals are pathetic. More people die from car accidents in Canada each year than from handguns; why not ban private ownership of vehicles too?

    Posted by hedplug  from  Gawd's Country  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 6:47:08 AM
    — hedplug's   s i g n a t u r e:

    Get out of your head and stand up for yourself! ME

  2. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    This is just the next stepping ston to getting rid of everyones guns. Something only commies want to do. When they start coming after the long guns they might find some canadiens not so passive anymore.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:00:32 AM
  3. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Now…..all we need are the criminals to obey this law and everything should be fine.  I am sure they are willing to.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:01:06 AM
  4. ChickenLittle's avatar ChickenLittle says:

    Just wait ‘til they realize what the most dangerous weapon of all is, and they ban free thought. “Don’t think, let the government think for you” 1984 here we come.

    Posted by ChickenLittle  from  Guelph, Ontario  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:11:02 AM
    — ChickenLittle's   s i g n a t u r e:

    The world is falling apart around me!
    What’s this? A Conservative Government?
    The world makes sense again!

  5. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Paul Martin’s proposal to ban all handguns is all about politics and absolutley nothing to do with crime reduction. The issue with firearm crime, especially in the GTA, is illegal handguns. What an ingenious Liberal policy.  They propose making illegal handguns… wait for it….even more ILLEGAL! Just how in the hell do you accomplish that?  The brilliance of it all.  Vote Liberal!

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:11:24 AM
  6. NotALiberalGirlyMan says:

    Another dumb idea by the Liberals.  Harper should have a field day with this if his handlers allow him to.  The party that created a $2 bill gun registry which has had absolutely no positive effect on crime prevention now has a new idea- ban guns!!  Sure, let’s make law abiding citizens in crime ridden areas such as Toronto and Vancouver completely defenceless.  Last week a teen in Toronto was nabbed by the police at a mall.  Police discovered that he had a loaded .45 caliber on him.  He was arrested but then released on bail.  Two weeks later he shot and killed a used car salesman.  I guess the teen did not know that having a gun is illegal.  I guess after Martin’s announcement today, this kid’s friends will just hand in all their firearms.  Ridiculous.  I have to agree with Wayne Fields of the Law Abiding Registered Firearms Association.  He said:

    “Why the Conservatives haven’t made it an (election) issue is beyond me.”
    any legislation to either register or ban guns is “lame-duck legislation . . . because half the gun owners aren’t licensed and two-thirds of the guns aren’t registered.”

    Come on Harper, attack!

    Posted by NotALiberalGirlyMan  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:15:40 AM
  7. hedplug's avatar hedplug says:

    I know I read this somewhere but aren’t more people (juveniles particularly) carrying knives anyway, not handguns? Shouldn’t the Liberals be banning all knives as well? What about forks, they’re pointy? And spoons, don’t druggies use them to heat up their coke or heroin? It might stop a few of them from committing crimes when they’re means are removed.

    Posted by hedplug  from  Gawd's Country  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:19:48 AM
    — hedplug's   s i g n a t u r e:

    Get out of your head and stand up for yourself! ME

  8. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Will butter knives and sharp pointed weiner sticks be registered next?
      Are my chidren going to forced to playing baseball with rubber bats? Will future garden tools used in Canada have to have a blunt edge or rounded corners.How about going after the law breakers and quit punishing innocent and honest Canadians for a change.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Vancouver Island  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:27:24 AM
  9. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    It may be interesting for people to read up on the Nazi Gun Control Act of 1938.  Gun Control is, as the book says, a Gateway to Tyranny. Firearms ownership was restricted to Nazi party members and other “reliable” people. Scary stuff.

    Maybe our supreme race of Liberals, on the heels of this brilliant legislation, can also ban murder and rape and make us all a bit more safe.

    Hail to the motherland.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Halifax  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:31:45 AM
  10. bv905 says:

    Despite the fact that I can’t stand the Paul Martin and Lieberals, I think all handguns should be have been banned a long time ago. What’s the purpose of a handgun? Protection (…ya right)? Target practice? They really don’t have any purpose except to kill and maim (mostly innocent) people. I find most Canadians think owning a hand gun is passé and unnecessary.  When we take a look at the US handgun policy (or lack there of), we are in shock of what is happening there. Maybe the biggest difference is they (the Americans) consider owning a gun is ‘right’ (to bear arms) and not a privilege. Is that the type of policy that we want to adopt in Canada?

    As some have pointed out, banning handguns does not instantly remove the illegal ones from the hands of criminals. However, if they were all illegal it would be much easier to crack down on suspects with ‘probable cause’ (of possessing a gun). 

    It wouldn’t be a good idea for the Conservatives to make it an election issue. There is an underlying cause for the need of handguns that has to be addressed (such as poverty, drugs, etc.) which is not the direct responsibility of the Federal government. The local social issues belong to the provinces and cities (the first responders) to deal with. If the Martin really wanted to help, he would send money to the provinces/cities that would be able to deal with it more effectively.

    Martin’s strategy will no doubt backfire. Wait till the NRA get wind of this.

    Posted by bv905  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:08:02 AM
  11. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Shouldn’t you guys be supporting this?  The deal also involves tightening up border security too.  But yeah, I guess devices that’s sole purpose is to kill people shouldn’t be banned, while dangerous marijuana should!

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:19:33 AM
  12. atiran says:

    There is actually a poll on CTV where 70% of people don’t believe banning hand guns will actually reduce violence.

    Posted by atiran  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:30:35 AM
  13. IamCanadian's avatar IamCanadian says:

    This is insane.

    It will fuel underground gun trafficking to higher proportions. I doubt that any law enforcement ever had trouble siezing a handgun because of legitimate handgun ownership and registration rules.

    And what will stop people from sawing-off shotguns to make them smaller?

    Next will be the shotguns, hunting riffles, and target guns!

    Then it will be gasoline and other flamable liquids!

    Then register rocks of a size that can be thrown and can kill!

    After than it will be implanting siliconchips in peoples heads so that violent thought will be extinguished from birth.

    Why not deal what what causes the violence in the first place. Its a lot cheaper.

    Advancing fairness and equal opportunities for young people to devote they energy to bettering themselves, and fixing the broken Justice System for those that won’t.

    Posted by IamCanadian  from  a long time ago  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:30:43 AM
    — IamCanadian's   s i g n a t u r e:

    The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
    ....Dante

  14. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Handguns have been registered since 1934. You must pass both non-restricted and restricted firearms safety courses and pass an invasive background check in order to obtain a handgun license. Every handgun you purchase must be registered. You must double-lock every handgun. You require an authorization to transport everywhere for every place you take your gun. You must go directly to the gun club, and directly back. Stopping for milk is a criminal offense.

    So how many crimes have been solved since 1934 with the handgun registry? None.

    And how many shootings in Toronto this year of the 50 were done with legal, registered handguns? None.

    This is a clear indication that law-abiding Canadian gun owners are not the problem, and should not be targeted by Paul Martin for political purposes.

    Please, Ontario, please do not vote these guys back in.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Fredericton, NB  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:32:27 AM
  15. NotALiberalGirlyMan says:

    Hey Derek, when did anybody say border security was a bad idea??

    Posted by NotALiberalGirlyMan  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:34:00 AM
  16. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Why do people need hand guns for protection?  Americans love having their safe handguns in their houses to protect them from all those bad guys lurking in the shadows.  Unfortunately when the edgy people have had a bit too much coffee or watched too much FOX news they start shooting at those shadows.  More times than not those shadows end up being loved ones getting a midnight snack or creeping in from a night out with friends.  Get rid of all handguns they cause nothing but tragedy and heartache.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Windsor ON  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:38:18 AM
  17. atiran says:

    Derek, anyone can have access to handguns no matter how much the government restricts the a access them, because they can be easilly smuggled from the US, so no matter what the government does, it cannot reduce the number of violence through regulating or banning hand guns. Restricting pot to a certain degree is a much more effective way to reduce violence.

    Posted by atiran  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:38:46 AM
  18. EazyE says:

    bv905 and Derek,

    Currently, handguns are heavily restricted in Canada. To get a hand gun you have to take lessons and pass safety tests, then pass a security check. After a year or so when you get your handgun, your door will be regularly knocked on by police if they have seen anyone with a gun in your area, or to see how you are storing them.

    All this can be avoided if you would like to buy it illegally, which is available nationwide in a city near you.

    Derek, you compared guns to marijuana, and called for more border security. Then you of all people should also know how wonderful the US war on drugs went. All the border security and international intervention in the world will not keep products out of the hands of people who want it. This is the world we live in.

    Posted by EazyE  from  Kitchener, ON  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:42:25 AM
  19. Slider says:

    That video was SWEET!  A 19 year old that lives the problem is wiser than the political elite.

    If I were an entrepreneur without morals, the bottom line in the business model for black-market handguns just improved.

    Posted by Slider  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 8:57:44 AM
  20. NotALiberalGirlyMan says:

    Paul J M, you’re the victim of a potential home invasion.  What do you do?  It happens in Scarborough, Ontario all the time.  Pickup a weapon to defend yourself and your family or try to reason with the thugs?  Until you put a sign out on your lawn saying “gun free home” do not criticize those who want to protect their family.

    Posted by NotALiberalGirlyMan  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:02:06 AM
  21. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    For the record, I actually agree this will do next to nothing to curb gun violence.  I just personally can’t stand guns, so any kind of effort to get rid of them I support.

    For those arguing this banning will actually increase illegal trafficking of guns. (Which may be true) Insert the word drugs instead of guns.  I’m pretty sure most of you support the banning of drugs.  Just some food for thought.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:17:52 AM
  22. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    The gang members are laughing so hard that they’re killing themselves. 

    (No play on words there.)

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Guelph, Ontario  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:28:14 AM
  23. NotALiberalGirlyMan says:

    Derek- you cannot compare guns with drugs.  Drugs used in anyway (street drugs as opposed to those prescribed by a doctor) are harmful, guns are not.  Law abiding citizens collect guns, use them for self defence or use them to hunt.

    Posted by NotALiberalGirlyMan  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:31:08 AM
  24. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    This is an issue the Tories have to stay clear of. If they come out against the Liberal proposal, the Libs will immediately characterise the Tories as “proto-Americans - next, they’ll want to take away Medicare!”. If they come out for the proposal, they alienate much of their own base. It’s a no win situation.

    I’m no fan of handguns, and I’m no fan of big ineffective gov’t beauracracies set up to provide employment for Liberal flunkies, provide good “optics” for TV, and provide NO added security for us poor shmoes. I think Singapore style justice (see today’s National Post letters) would be a better solution, but we have our Chief Justice making pronouncements that her vision supersedes that of every other body in Canada, and if she doesn’t agree with mandatory gun sentences, then they won’t happen. (I notice she makes these remarks while she’s safely half-a-world away, but I digress.)

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Richmond Hill  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:34:16 AM
  25. isitjustme?'s avatar isitjustme? says:

    Too many unregistered gun-totin’ killers out there. It must be all the owner’s whose names disappeared during the registry crash of ‘03…. watch this

    A gun de-registry is more like it. It only costs you pennies a day to run it though (one hundred million dollars a year).
    I wonder if they hit the “undo” button just to clock more hours.

    Posted by isitjustme?  from  Uxbridge, Ontario  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:42:18 AM
  26. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Today…during an interview, Martin was taken to task regarding his 1998 stance regarding the ban of automatic and semi automatic weapons.  Remember that Louise Russo was shot in Toronto by a semi automatic weapon in 2004.  Martin stated they are currently banned…(although the interviewer rightly pointed out they are not…they are restricted).

    The point is…Martin, who mistakingly believes they are banned has JUST proven that a ban does not work.  If it did, Mrs. Russo would be fine today!

    He stated guns kill people when in fact a gun is useless unless in the hands of a person to use it.  People kill people.

    Where there’s a will there is a way and tighter border controls (with the unarmed custom officers) will do nothing to curb the influx of guns.

    Stronger sentencing is what is called for however….in Liberal land…that is not an option.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:48:27 AM
  27. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Another knee-jerk, grasping-at-straws, desperation move for the Liberals.

    Does anyone have statistics on how many licensed users or registered handguns have been involved in gun crimes? I suspect it’s somewhere around zero. And that is how many crimes will be prevented.

    I find sport shooting with pistols damn fun.  Yes, guns are dangerous and there may be injuries or deaths incidental to the sport, but the same can be said about many sports.

    My buddy the lawyer has a client who defended a friend from being assaulted by two drunken yahoos.  He beaned one in the head with a 4 iron, causing some pretty serious brain damage.  The cops didn’t press charges because it was so obviously self-defence.  But will the Liberals outlaw golf?

    And since we have just passed another Montreal Massacre anniversary: If I had a concealed-carry permit and was in that classroom, there would have been 14 women walking out and Marc Lepine left laying in a pool of blood, not the other way around.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Maple Ridge  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 9:49:20 AM
  28. hedplug's avatar hedplug says:

    Can you imagine if these idiot Liberals get to carry out their ridiculous gun ban and the (il)logical extension that they will ban all guns shortly thereafter?

    And now competing in the bi-athalon event (bipolar class) for Canada at these Turin Winter Olympics is Svend Robinson. Folks, you’ll notice that due to the Canadian ban on guns, Svend will be aiming his little pea-shooter at the targets as he goes by them. To help him out, all targets have been carefully drawn on the derrières of naked Eastern Canadian Liberal voters.

    Posted by hedplug  from  Gawd's Country  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 10:17:11 AM
    — hedplug's   s i g n a t u r e:

    Get out of your head and stand up for yourself! ME

  29. bv905 says:

    A suitable sentence for someone caught a crime using handgun would be to chop off thier trigger finger.
    It would :
    1) prevent them from ever trying to shoot someone again.
    2) everyone would know what they did.

    Posted by bv905  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 10:48:43 AM
  30. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    A gun ban is only indictative of the lack of faith the Liberals have in the people of this great country.  They do not believe that we will do what is right and act responsibly, they believe they must hold our hand and watch over our very lives.  Even though there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever since 1934 that law abiding citizens are using hand guns for criminal means.

    Any anti-gun Liberal friends I have all say the same thing.. “you cannot trust people”  yet in the same breath they tell me to move to the United States with the rest of the paranoid people…Besides being a horrible, insulting generalization of an entire nation, they prove their ignorance and hypocrisy time and time again.

    Who are the paranoid people here really??

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Halifax  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 10:51:37 AM
  31. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    People . . . this is about freedom, not guns, with this approach old feeble Paul joins the other anti-gun folks of the twentieth century, Chairman Mau, Joe Stalin and of course Uncle Adolf (a dedicated Socialist), when do Canadians wake up? 48 US states have carry laws, their crime rates are dropping!!!! Canada’s is rising daily, more people have been killed in Vancouver and Toronto this year than Boston (of course Ted Kennedy is now to old to drive and has a chauffeur). Washington DC banned guns years ago and has the highest murder rate in the US. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. The crime rate in Canada is a testament to our Canadian Values, there are none! The Liberal message everything is OK, the government will look after everyone!
    Even Iraq had a much higher voter turnout than Canada. Check out France, double digit unemployment, govt controls everywhere, a failing Socialist State . . . . this is our future under a Liberal Government!

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  White Rock, BC  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 11:18:47 AM
  32. hedplug's avatar hedplug says:

    Good points Ex-NDIP but let me paraphrase how a typical Eastern Canadian Liberal voter would respond to your comments: ‘Did you see Domi last night? He was a tank!’

    Posted by hedplug  from  Gawd's Country  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 11:23:04 AM
    — hedplug's   s i g n a t u r e:

    Get out of your head and stand up for yourself! ME

  33. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Said our PM “handguns are bad because they kill people.”  If elected PM promises to ban all handguns in Canada.

    A ban on all private ownership of handguns in Gresat Britain became law in November 1997.  Based on factual research conducted in Great Britain since 1997, consider the following, all of which I have taken from the internet almost word for word.  I take no credit for the hard work of others.

    A study released in July 2001 by researchers at King’s College in London found “The use of handguns in crimes rose 40% in the 2 years after the weapons were banned.”  The study also found that “It’s crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place.  Policymakers have targeted the legitimate sporting and farming communities with ever-tightening laws, but the research clearly demonstrates that it is illegal guns which are the real threat to public safety.  The study concluded that Britain’s experiment with gun prohibition has followed the same path as other government attempts at prohibition.  Ever since guns were banned, every criminal has seen the merit of having one.  In contrast, the U.S. has among the world’s lowest ‘hot’ burglary rates - defined as burglaries committed while people are in the building - at 13%.  Compare that rate with GUN-FREE Great Britain’s rate, which is now up to 59%.

    It’s logical.  An American study showed that the #1 explanation from would-be burglars NOT to enter an occupied building was “I might get shot.”

    “Criminals may be strolling down the road to Hell, but they’re not crazy enough to hurry the trip.” 

    “In June 2003 a CBS News report labelled Great Britain “one of the most violent urban societies in the western world”.

    continued…..

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 12:14:03 PM
  34. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    continued….

    BBC News reported “a dramatic rise in violent crime in 1998 to the present (2001).”  Statistics from the British Office of Home Affairs found that crime in Great Britain in 2001 was at epidemic levels, 60% higher per capita than in the U.S.”

    Since the ban on all private ownership of handguns became law in 1997, handgun offences have risen each year since then.  Overall, violent crime has spiked since that act of parliament.

    A word of caution. It would be simplistic and dangerous to place all of the blame for this crime wave on the 1997 handgun ban.  But it certainly has not “ended violent crime” as its supporters predicted.  Illegal guns continue to flood the country.  Young hoodlums and career criminals have no problem obtaining the firepower they need.

    British social policy analyst, Michael S. Brown, O.D., sums up his government’s gun-ban implications for future generations of Britons.  “It is no coincidence that crime typically goes up after a government enacts new gun restrictions.  Several American researchers and criminologists have explored this effect.  Whenever people give up their rights to self-defense in return for a promise of government protection, the results have been negative.  No amount of social engineering will change this basic consequence of human nature.  Unfortunately, the downward progression of gun control only goes on way.  British subjects will never regain the basic human right of armed self defense.”

    Now, my own words.  There is an absolute wealth of evidence on the internet condemning the Liberals latest crime fighting tactic as unworkable and doomed to failure.  Everybody, especially citizens of Toronto and Ontario, educate yourselves for your own sake and your children’s future.  Don’t buy into the Liberal lies.  Not only are they lying to you, they are playing you for fools.

    Finally, to Stephen Harper.  Grab your speech writer by the throat and demand a speech on this latest Liberal announcement today that will literally ‘blow them out of the water.”

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 12:27:27 PM
  35. Krydor says:

    Thanks for posting the video.  That was something that went terribly wrong for the Liberals.  In an already tight race in many Ontario ridings, this kind of thing may just kill the Liberals.

    Posted by Krydor  from  Regina,SK  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 1:51:11 PM
  36. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Dated 2003.  Recent firearms regulations have not made the streets of Australia any safer either: 

    -The total homicide rate, after having remained basically flat from 1995 to 2001, has now begun climbing again;
    -Over the past 6 years, the overall rate of violent crime in Australia has continued to increase; robbery and armed robbery rates continue to rise with armed robbery increasing 166% nationwide.

    In contrast, violent crime rates, and homicide rates in particular, have been falling in the United States.  The drop in the American crime rate is even more impressive when compared with the rest of the world.  In 18 of 25 countries surveyed by the British Home Office, violent crime increased during the 1990’s.

    Source: Gary A. Mauser, “The Failed Experiment: Gun Control and Public Safety in Canada, Australia, England and Wales,” Public Policy Sources, No.71, November 2003, Fraser Institute.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 2:04:41 PM
  37. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Paul Martin says if elected he will ban all handguns in Canada. He says he intends on doing so because guns kill.  I’d like “we lead the world” Paul Martin to explain this then.

    Switzerland - population 6 million

    - # of publicly owned firearms - 2 million!
    this includes approx. 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols;
    - all men between the ages of 21-32 are given M57 assault rifles and 24 rounds of ammo by the government which they must keep at home;
    - in addition there are few restrictions on buying guns;
    - the government even sells off surplus firearms to citizens when new weapons are introduced;
    - violent crime is very rare;
    - there are minimal controls on public buildings;
    - politicians rarely have police protection;
    - gun crime is so low that statistics are not even kept.

    Guns do NOT kill Mr. Prime Minister, people kill. You do not know what the hell you are talking about, again.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 2:17:46 PM
  38. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Source - The Problems with Government Gun Control.

    “Since banning all handguns in 1997 crime rates in Great Britain have skyrocketed.”  Violent crime INCREASED by 69%, robbery INCREASED 45%, murder INCREASED 54%.

    Also, an FBI report dated 2003 reports that in the United States nationwide crime rates have decreased for the 12th straight year and are currently at a 27 year low. 

    Remember this the next time a Liberal starts yapping about gun crime in the USA and how we don’t want to be like those bad, dangerous, violent, trigger happy hated Americans.! Can “we lead the world” Paul Martin boast such progress against crime in Canada during the last 12 years?  Not a hope in hell. 

    That’s it, I’m finally done.  I figure by now I have made my point.  The internet is overflowing with evidence to discredit Paul Martin’s B.S. about how banning handguns will save us all.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 2:31:18 PM
  39. PGP says:

    The video of the Newsclip Man in the Street interview was the most Priceless thing!
    Boy did I laugh over that!

    I was thinking about PMPM being exposed like that in “Scary!” Jane/Finch area and whether or not he was being protected by guards with HANDGUNS!

    Apparently so!
    Hypocrite! Spineless weasle!
    I love that Young Lady in the Interview!
    See MY Blog:  http://ommag.blogspot.com/

    Posted by PGP  from  Winnipeg  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 3:39:46 PM
  40. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    I thought Micaheal Moore said the Canandians were all happy little gun owners with wide open doors and no need home protection.  You were suppose to have more guns per capita than the US and little to non-existant gun crime?  Michael Moore coudn’t be wrong!

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 4:05:45 PM
  41. Blogette says:

    AHMREN JHAMMA FOR PM!

    Seriously, can we get this girl a seat in Parliament?  She totally rocks the casbah!  More Ahmren!

    ~B

    Posted by Blogette  from  Ottawa  on  Thu, December 08, 2005 at 7:02:07 PM
  42. Mark-Alan Whittle says:

    Nothing is more satisfying than watching an ordinary Canadian, especially one whose brother was killed by hand-gun toting thugs, rip Paul Martin a new asshole.

    Leave it to ordinary citizens to cut the rhetoric completely out of the debate and question the Liberal governments sincerity about making our streets safer. Bingo.

    Posted by Mark-Alan Whittle  from  Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 3:53:03 AM
  43. isitjustme?'s avatar isitjustme? says:

    This whole gun ban thing is simply a Lieberal land mine which P.M. hopes the Consevatives will step in.
    Mr. Harper et al are too smart for this. I think they should get the Ahmren Jhamma footage (EXCELLENT JOEL!) and give it some seriuos national airtime on the C.B.C.

    Posted by isitjustme?  from  Uxbridge, Ontario  on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 6:59:10 AM
  44. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Well it sure looks like the Liberals are getting desprit. For one I don’t know why, they don’t have to be acountable for there actions. They make me take all kinds of training to own and use a hand gun and now they are saying that we are going to be safer if they just take my handgun. They told me that if we register all the long guns that we would be safer and that has not happen. We spent 2 billion dollars !! But then again if you are a liberal you don’t have to be acountable. Now What ?

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Peterborough Ontario CANADA !!  on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 7:14:53 AM
  45. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    “Drugs used in anyway (street drugs as opposed to those prescribed by a doctor) are harmful”

    That’s not at all true, but whatever.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from   on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 10:19:08 AM
  46. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    Maybe you shouldn’t consider this a case of liberal media going wrong. Maybe you should consider this an example of media on a story. After all, a real liberal supporting media would have found a way to cut her off. But they didn’t do that, did they. They let the whole damning indictment run so you could see it and be happy about how stupid the liberals are.

    I’ve seen plenty of examples of media attacking - and praising - all 5 of the major parties (and yes, I’m including the Greens here).

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Victoria  on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 11:51:28 AM
  47. N'Hampsha Yankee's avatar N'Hampsha Yankee says:

    #37 - right on! I still can’t figure why it is that education is supposed to be the cure for every kind of social pathology except gun violence. Switzerland is certainly on the right track in this respect - even the Nazis didn’t dare invade them because they knew they would have to take on the Swiss Army one man at a time. As Robert Heinlein once wrote, “an armed society is a polite society”.

    For the reasons you cite, semi-automatic weapons have an exceedingly low market value in Switzerland; largely because the Army issues fully-automatic ones and requires proper preparation. Take this together with the fact that Mace and pepperspray are unlawful to use without a hazardous-material discharge permit, and anybody could see that this is a tough combination to beat in terms of personal safety.

    Disarming the general population only makes sense if you can have an omnipresent police state to monitor people’s personal security. Is this not inconsistent with individual liberty? Please throw the pinkoes out. Please?

    Posted by N'Hampsha Yankee  from  Manchester, NH  on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 1:19:24 PM
    — N'Hampsha Yankee's   s i g n a t u r e:

    A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away.

  48. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    A great editorial in today’s Toronto Sun on communist gun ban.

    click here

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  hamilton,ont  on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 5:36:31 PM
  49. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) says:

    I was rather taken aback by the similarities between life imitating art in the Martin speech.

    I believe there was a movie recently that had the leader of a republic annoucing he was taking away independence and freedom and creating a “galactic” empire for the sake of peace. 

    Then liberty dies to the sound of applause.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  from  Halifax  on  Fri, December 09, 2005 at 8:11:56 PM
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